The guy blew a .26 after the cops came. Which means he was EASILY in the .30 range at the highest point of his intoxication.
I wonder if he drove home.
Do you know the likelihood of alcohol NOT affecting him if he went to bed at, say, 9 am after drinking to the point of .30?
I can't believe the guy's blood was 30% alcohol (JoeM TM)
But seriously. How is this not a bigger deal? It would actually be an AWESOME story if he went 4 for 5 and won the game on a walkoff. Now it just sucks.
According to my sister, the DSR is now linked to the main page of AOL.
How long before the whole country realizes that DHall likes to lick his wife's ass?
I love that this has officially been changed into this.
Well done fellas. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
A caller on 97.1 said ESPN radio suggested today that the entire team has been boozing it up for the last 10 days or so. No idea what they're basing that on, but if so that's sure an odd way to try to win a division title. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
The dick-sucking fest continues over at the Detroit News:
"He [Leyland] did a solid job and deserved the two-year extension he received in June. The team won 86 games. The Tigers hung in first for most of the season. No matter what happens Tuesday, it was a good season in Detroit."
I thought the team boozing (including Miggy's drinking) was sort of an open secret. I was told that a whole bunch of them (Miggy included) were getting crushed in the hotel bar in Cleveland on the night before a Sunday afternoon game. Doesn't sound like they are trying to be discreet. If I've heard about this kind of stuff, then I assume the whole of SE Michigan knows about it. _________________ Formerly known as Barry O.
Curious as to why there aren't any questions about how Cabrerra was conveyed from the Townsend to his house on Fairfax . . . (a little over 1 mile). Did he drive, was he driven? He certainly was in no condition to walk, not with a .26. _________________ GOLF is a four letter word.
Totally selfish behavior. It is an awful message to the other players to run this guy out there.
You can't trade him unless you are blown away. I would put his fat ass on the market and see what kind of bids you get. His contract is not outrageous by today's standards, and he is entering his prime. You will get incredible offers.
Bottom line is that he is 26 and one of the best players in the game. He has been a relatively good citizen and by far the most productive player. There is no need to trade him. But if you can get a great package, at least you have an excuse to consider it.
This is REALLY bad. Jack wouldn't even have ONE DRINK in Vegas the night before a fucking preseason game. Where is your sense of duty to the team?
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3132 Location: Redford, MI
Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:19 pm
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Jeff Moss wrote:
They really should suspend him for tomorrow's game.
I am not even joking.
What kind of message does it send to the rest of the team if you don't?
Like Pudge Rumor said, there is ZERO chance that his performance this weekend (ZERO-for-11) wasn't based upon this behavior.
I am so pissed at this guy that I can't even think straight.
I can't believe I'm as pissed about this as I am. We should be used to this stupid shit already.
I agree with Moss, Cabrera should be suspended for Tuesday night. I'd rather lose doing the right thing, than win doing the wrong thing. And if they WIN without him. it's even better. And Dombrowski or Illitch should suspend him -- don't leave it up to Leyland because he won't do it. _________________ Sports Sadist
I don't know if you can suspend the guy without knowing more details. Was he the only Tiger at the Townsend? If not, are you going to suspend everyone that went? Or just the guys that went and got drunk? Obviously the guy looks like an idiot and I'm not happy about it, but unless there is a team rule that so no drinking during the season I'm not sure you can do anything other than tell him he's a dickhead. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
How is there not more discussion about running him out there when he was still half-drunk the next day? They HAVE to have known he was all fucked up. A guy called the radio today and said that alcohol typically leaves your system at .015% an hour, so 12 hours later at gametime, the guy still had a substantial amount of alcohol in his system.
The media in this town makes me sick. They are STILL saying that the Tigers exceeded expectations this year. They actually have won close to the same number of games that they were predicted to win. Didn't most people pick between 80-85 in the shitty division? The ONLY difference is that division sucked and that number of wins put them in first place most of the year. Why would ANYONE get credit for "the team being in first" all year? It's a nice story if they make the playoffs, but they hardly exceeded expectations wildly.
DHall: They don't need a team rule for this. The Tigers can take whatever disciplinary action they want. They don't even have to suspend him, just don't play him.
BM: The media is such a joke in this town. It is amazing.
Not one person in here is surprised that the Tigers won 86 games. _________________ Did they shoot your horse?
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3132 Location: Redford, MI
Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:33 pm
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DHall2 wrote:
I don't know if you can suspend the guy without knowing more details. Was he the only Tiger at the Townsend? If not, are you going to suspend everyone that went? Or just the guys that went and got drunk? Obviously the guy looks like an idiot and I'm not happy about it, but unless there is a team rule that so no drinking during the season I'm not sure you can do anything other than tell him he's a dickhead.
You don't think having the police called to his house for a domestic dispute, and therefore having a public record of his stupidity, isn't enough for a suspension?
Plus, we don't know what he's told the team when they talked to him about it. If he admitted to them he was drunk at 6 AM, that would be enough in my opinion. _________________ Sports Sadist
As much of an asshole as he is, I wouldn't consider trading Cabrera. He's 26 and only going to get better.
Don't be so sure. Having a BAC north of .30 and still functioning can be indicative of someone who is an alcoholic. If that's the case, there's probably a greater chance of him getting worse, not better, over the next couple years.
In addition to simply having a sky high BAC, the fact that he got into an altercation with his wife could be indicative that alcohol is a problem for him. I don't know about you, but when I go on a bender until 3 or 4 am, I walk home and quietly tuck my drunk ass in bed without incident. Cabrera comes home, and it's time for cat scratch fever.
The Tigers already had to deal with Dmitri Young, so I hope they know enough to fish or cut bait with this guy. _________________ Formerly known as Barry O.
I understand that Jeff I'm just saying you can't make an example out of him unless he was the only guy doing it.
The part I love about it is this couldn't wait until after the year? These guys are ridiculously wealthy. He couldn't throw a party in a month and invite the entire Sox team?
Plus, if he didn't get home until 6 AM these guys were hanging out in their rooms getting this fucked up? I've never stayed at the Townsend but I would assume that some of the players have decent houses for having people over to drunk in a nicer setting than a hotel room.
Just odd. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
Beyond the implications of being functional at 0.3 (don't know about you guys but the number of people I know that could be functional at that level is tiny), isn't anyone curious why he'd WANT to get THAT tanked? If it was midsummer and he was getting that tanked, it's one thing (though still a bit alarming), but right then? Speaks of some personal problems beyond issues with his wife don't you think?
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3462 Location: Washington, DC
Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:46 pm
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Brown Marker wrote:
Beyond the implications of being functional at 0.3 (don't know about you guys but the number of people I know that could be functional at that level is tiny), isn't anyone curious why he'd WANT to get THAT tanked? If it was midsummer and he was getting that tanked, it's one thing (though still a bit alarming), but right then? Speaks of some personal problems beyond issues with his wife don't you think?
Also, unrelated, but I have heard from several people that the guy is a tremendously immature douche. I remember a couple of years ago down in Lakeland, almost all the Tigers were signing autographs for little kids, while Cabrera just stood there, talking to his entourage and pretending like the fans weren't there.
I've also heard several stories about him when he was in Miami. Now, I know he was a young kid then, but the guy is 26. Maybe he's just never going to get it.
Beyond the implications of being functional at 0.3 (don't know about you guys but the number of people I know that could be functional at that level is tiny), isn't anyone curious why he'd WANT to get THAT tanked? If it was midsummer and he was getting that tanked, it's one thing (though still a bit alarming), but right then? Speaks of some personal problems beyond issues with his wife don't you think?
I suspect the guy has some personal issues that he needs to work through. Every game I've gone to this year I've thought he looked depressed and not all that interested in baseball.
Plus, the fact that it caused a fight with his wife is pretty telling. You get the feeling that this isn't the first time that it's happened which is why he's got a short leash. Usually when guys that don't drink too often end up having a few too many the wife/girlfriend thinks it's kind of cute. They tend to get mad when it becomes a routine, because the routine gets old quick.
Pure speculation, of course, but I'm pretty sure this isn't his first trip to the rodeo. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
I enjoyed reading the comments under Stoney's story.
Jeff Moss is about as reliable as The Onion.
Good shit. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3132 Location: Redford, MI
Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:04 pm
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I just read the part of the story where it was Dombrowski that picked Cabrera up from jail. NO WAY he should have played Saturday. _________________ Sports Sadist
I just read the part of the story where it was Dombrowski that picked Cabrera up from jail. NO WAY he should have played Saturday.
Fuck the Tigers organ-i-zation too. By DD picking him up at 7:30am and by Leyland starting him when he showed up at the CoPa with alcohol still in his system, the Tigers are telling Cabrera that he can do whatever the fuck he wants. That always ends well. _________________ Formerly known as Barry O.
The more you hear about this the more it sounds like maybe this guy is a heavy drinker and the Tigers have just decided they're going to live with it. It certainly isn't like he would be the first athlete in this town that liked to booze in season. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
It certainly isn't like he would be the first athlete in this town that liked to booze in season.
This is far beyond "boozing in season." I don't expect any athletes to be straight edge. However, I do expect them to show up for work with a 0.00 BAC.
By telling Cabrera that it's ok to act this way, you are inviting him to become the next Dmitri Young. Wasted on the morning of a huge game? Taken into custody in handcuffs? Domestic fight? No prob. The GM, himself, will bail you out, make sure there are no charges, and you'll be in the starting lineup 11 hours later.
And make no fucking mistake, the only reason there isn't a domestic violence charge here is because the person who the copes hauled away can hit safely in a professional baseball game 33% of the time.
While it's possible that this is a wake up call for Cabrera and he straightens out, it's just as possible that he gets worse. _________________ Formerly known as Barry O.
I'm not saying that it's not a problem and that the team should ignore it. It sounds like he's done this sort of thing before though, which means the Tigers may be choosing to live with it, so long as he's hitting.
It's NOT shocking that they would.
I remember seeing a guy that played for the Wings (he wore #91) at a bar in Royal Oak a few years back with Kid Rock, Pam Anderson, and some kid named Fedor while the Wings were waiting for play in the 1st round of the NHL playoffs.
All told I would guess they had about 20 shots between them and Pam Anderson wasn't drinking. #91 also smoked about 10 cigarettes that night, which I'm sure helps you skate. I remember thinking "man how pissed off would his teammates be if they saw this right now?"
I learned a few weeks later the answer when I saw Osgood, Chelios, McCarty (supposedly sober at that stage of his life if you believe the newspapers), and a few other Wings getting lit blocks away from where I'd seen #91.
The Wings, by the way, got swept that year, I believe by the Ducks. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
I remember seeing a guy that played for the Wings (he wore #91) at a bar in Royal Oak a few years back with Kid Rock, Pam Anderson, and some kid named Fedor while the Wings were waiting for play in the 1st round of the NHL playoffs.
All told I would guess they had about 20 shots between them and Pam Anderson wasn't drinking. #91 also smoked about 10 cigarettes that night, which I'm sure helps you skate. I remember thinking "man how pissed off would his teammates be if they saw this right now?"
I learned a few weeks later the answer when I saw Osgood, Chelios, McCarty (supposedly sober at that stage of his life if you believe the newspapers), and a few other Wings getting lit blocks away from where I'd seen #91.
The Wings, by the way, got swept that year, I believe by the Ducks.
How does this story relate in any way to a player getting so loaded that he still had significant alcohol in his system when he showed up for what was essentially a playoff game? Are you just looking for an excuse to tell us a story about how you watched famous people get drunk?
I'm fucking outraged about this. And I'll admit that it has a lot to do with, not only my emotional investment in this club, but my financial investment as well. I just shelled out well over a grand for my playoff tickets, and I'm rewarded with a fucking punk who would rather drink himself to oblivion (with the opposing team no less) than prepare for a playoff game.
"Thanks for your unyielding fandom and your money, now go fuck yourself as I try to bail out this asshole and cover it up. Nope, nothing wrong here. Those are scratches from the dog." _________________ Formerly known as Barry O.
It relates FY because it's an example of players that have done the same thing. I'm telling you about it because I saw it firsthand. I didn't have a breathalyzer so I can't give you a BAC, but I would be surprised if Federov wasn't pushing .26 that night.
Obviously, it's not the EXACT SAME thing, but you're an idiot if you think this stuff doesn't go on .
I would be SHOCKED if Miguel Cabrera was the only Tiger that go drunk on Friday night.
I'm not happy about it either. I spent $2000 on tickets this year. I did so though knowing that these guys like to get drunk sometimes.
I'm assuming that you've never once gone to work with a hangover? _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
I'm sure you saw it first hand. So have I. Vernon and Osgood owe me a lot of cigarettes, and for some stupid reason, I was the moron buying rounds for the multimillionaires. BUT IT WASN'T ON THE MORNING OF A PLAYOFF GAME.
I expect athletes to get loaded between games. What else do they have to do? But I also expect them to stop drinking at a reason time before the puck drop/kickoff/first pitch/tipoff. It's not much to ask. How could you not be outraged by this, DH?
The Tigers obviously knew this guy had drinking issues, but they did nothing about it. So that problem has not festered to the point that we have this mess. Can you imagine how bad of a drunk he must be for his fucking wife to call the cops? He is her multimillion dollar lottery ticket, and she STILL called the cops on him. _________________ Formerly known as Barry O.
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 6308 Location: Close to Gregg's Temple
Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:08 pm
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This whole thread is awesome.
Athletes care about fans. About .05% of them, that is. _________________ "But revenge is sweet . . . and I'm not going to make any predictions but I can tell you this, I can forgive but I'll never forget. I can promise you that."
FY I guess I'm not outraged because nothing shocks me with these guys anymore. That doesn't mean I think his behavior is acceptable or that the Tigers are handling this properly.
But, dude, Charles Rogers wasted his entire career and millions of dollars because he wanted to get high and drunk all the time. With his LAST CHANCE hanging in the balance he got so drunk he fell asleep while waiting for a light to change colors.
These guys have MASSIVE egos and they spend their days being superhuman athletes. They're 100 times more likely to dismiss problems with drugs and booze because they've managed to get as far as they have in life and think they can handle anything. If you add to that a team with $160 million riding on it basically saying "Miggy, knock this shit off, please, and if you don't, we support you" it's a recipe for this stuff.
And the idea that it happened on the night before a big game, while maddening, doesn't change anything for me. The guy sounds like he's a heavy drinker at best and potentially has a problem. Which means he's more than likely drinking several times a week, if not every day, which means it's inevitable that at SOME POINT this is going to happen.
I HIGHLY doubt he intended to get THAT drunk - but a few becomes 15 and the rest is history. The earlier incident at the Townsend included his explanation that he was drunk, in part, because he'd been fighting with his wife and because he was playing like shit. When people with drinking problems feel stressed and/or pressure they turn to the bottle.
I don't like it AT ALL - but I think this is more an indication that the guy has a problem than it is an indication that he doesn't care. If anything he cares so much that he cracked on and off the field. I'm not going to hate the guy for being a human being even though I'll never fully forgive him unless they win tomorrow night. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
Nothing unites people like drunk athletes! _________________ "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer God than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." SF Roberts
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