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Want to get a future bet on a horse for the Kentucky Derby.

Concord Point.

The Official DSR Derby Horse for 2010.

In his first race yesterday, he broke his maiden in a very fast time in a six furlong race.

The horse is a huge animal and ran like a total goofball, but still won a tough maiden race.

He had no idea what lead to be on or what the fuck to do when he got the lead yet he still won.

He is bred to run all day long and should only get better with added distance.

Probably can get him at 50 to 75 to 1 right now.

Oh and he is trained by Bob Baffert. The trainer for War Emblem and Silver Charm, Real Quiet just to name a few.

Anyone?
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There is an outside chance that I'm heading back there within the next 4 weeks. Worst case, I'm there in March for sure. When do they stop taking futures bets on Derby horses?
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I'm in for 20.00. Unless this horse is a Pulpit or Giants Causeway. Then I'm only in for 10.00. I have no idea when they stop taking future bets, good question.
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He is not by Pulpit.

He is not by Giants Causeway.

He ran a 94 Beyer Speed Figure in his first race out of the box at 6 furlongs.

And the horse is huge and leggy and looked like he would definitely need a race and two turns before showing his true ability.

He is also by Tapit and his horses usually get better with added distance and are only 4 percent first time out.

Definitely need to bet him now in the Derby Future before his next race to maximize value.

Knowing Baffert, it wouldn't shock me if he goes right to a stakes race with this horse.

And if he were to win that next time out, he would probably drop from 75 to 1 to about 15 to 1.
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He ran a 94 Beyer Speed Figure in his first race out of the box at 6 furlongs.


How many people do you think understood this sentence?
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He ran a 94 Beyer Speed Figure in his first race out of the box at 6 furlongs.


How many people do you think understood this sentence?



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Okay, I'll bite . . . is the thought that with such a Beyer coming out of the box in his first race, with the proper training he could achieve 110's or 120's by the time the Derby rolls around?
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A 94 Beyer Speed Figure is exceptional for a horse making his or her first career start.

A BSF is basically a speed rating that takes into consideration the comparable times for the day based on how fast or slow the track is playing.

For example, if a horse runs 1:10 flat for a 6 furlong race on a day where the track is playing fast, it isn't as impressive as running 1:10 flat when the track is playing slow.

It is way more convoluted than that, but it gives you an idea.

To run a 94 in your first race is very impressive as some stakes 2-year old stakes horses aren't even running that fast.

Take into consideration the horse most likely wasn't totally geared up for the performance, should get better with distance, isn't bred to win early, etc. you have the making of a very good horse who will fly under the radar for a few weeks.

Add to that you have a trainer who is one of the best (if not best) at getting a horse to the Kentucky Derby and you have a good opportunity at an underlay.

And George, the Derby winner usually runs a BSF of between 105 and 115 in winning the Derby.
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I've examined your prospectus and would like to invest in the DEGENERATE BITERS.
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He ran a 94 Beyer Speed Figure in his first race out of the box at 6 furlongs.


How many people do you think understood this sentence?


You think that is bad, should have come to a dinner with me and my grandfather.

The rest of the family would just sit around shaking their heads thinking we were talking in a foreign language.

The best was one night we were at the Palm in Bal Harbor eating dinner and we spent the entire night talking about horses to I am sure the annoyance of my grandma, mom and sister.

I had my back to the next table so I get up to go get the car from Valet and I turn around and Nick Zito comes up to my grandfather to talk to him.

Nick Zito has won the Kentucky Derby twice (Go for Gin and Strike the Gold) and is one of the more famous trainers in the country and a member of the Horse Racing Hall of Fame.

He overheard the entire conversation and attempted to get my grandfather to invest in horses with him while his wife and child ate their steaks.

And no, I won't be donating 5 grand to the Horse Racing Hall of Fame anytime in the near future.
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Ha, that's a good story. Now the question is had it been Baffert or Lukas would it have been cooler?

I follow the stuff loosely, but only in the sense of knowing names of past winners, trainers, some jockeys, etc. I enjoy watching it quite a bit actually, but simply don't follow it enough to know anything more than the basic terminology (though I do know furlong). Just thought that sentence was hilarious.

And yes, I would be way in over my head at that conversation.
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It actually was perfect that it was Zito.

My grandpa always thought Zito was a loud-mouth New Yorker and didn't have much use for him.

Then he met the guy and Zito was nice to him so he changed his opinion of him.

I was just glad we didn't say anything bad about the guy while we were talking. That would have been embarrassing.
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I was just glad we didn't say anything bad about the guy while we were talking. That would have been embarrassing.


Classic.
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I'm so confused.

I'll just put in $20 and trust Moss and EShack.

I can't believe I just typed that . . .
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I'm so confused.

I'll just put in $20 and trust Moss and EShack.

I can't believe I just typed that . . .


I seem to remember an old saying . . . . about a fool and his money being soon parted. . . . Wink
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I'm so confused.

I'll just put in $20 and trust Moss and EShack.

I can't believe I just typed that . . .


As long as the money doesn't go towards supporting the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame.
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I'm so confused.

I'll just put in $20 and trust Moss and EShack.

I can't believe I just typed that . . .


As long as the money doesn't go towards supporting the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame.


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I'm in for $20. Let me know when you need it and how to get it to you.
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Just got confirmation that the horse is 175 to 1 to win the Kentucky Derby.

Fuck!!!!! I need someone to make this bet for me.

How the fuck don't I know anyone in Vegas?
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http://www.viewfromvegas.com/uploads/2010_Derby_futures_12-28-09-Wynn.pdf
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Just got confirmation that the horse is 175 to 1 to win the Kentucky Derby.

Fuck!!!!! I need someone to make this bet for me.

How the fuck don't I know anyone in Vegas?


My cousin will be in Vegas tomorrow, I can ask him to place the bet if you like.
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I know zip about horse racing.

Are the odds different if you wager online?

If you have someone else place the bet and win big, how can you know they will actually give you the winnings?

How often do you pick right on "long shots" Jeff?

Are the odds better than buying a mega millions ticket? I don't mean the top millions prize necessarily, just don't know what else to compare it to.
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I'm in for $20. And let me know if the bet gets placed. If Drew's cousin can't do it, I know a guy out in Vegas (we're not that close, but I'm sure I could call in a favor).
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I know zip about horse racing.

Are the odds different if you wager online?

If you have someone else place the bet and win big, how can you know they will actually give you the winnings?

How often do you pick right on "long shots" Jeff?

Are the odds better than buying a mega millions ticket? I don't mean the top millions prize necessarily, just don't know what else to compare it to.


chris480 needs to invest in a Magic 8 Ball.
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Laughing Laughing

I couldn't come up with the appropriate response to Chris' asinine post.

Parks nailed it.
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Greg[g], we should start up a collection.

I think they run about 9.99. Plus tax.

(That may have been out of line...considering chris never really requested that collection to happen....but still)
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If someone is really making a futures bet on this horse, I want in.
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The beauty of betting futures on horses is you get the odds at the time of the bet as opposed to the typical BS of getting the odds when the race goes off.

The ugly of it when the horse gets hurt the week of the Kentucky Derby and you lose the bet.

Hi Arazi!

And didn't AP Indy get scratched or run injured? Or maybe he won the damn Derby. My memory is fucking gone. I was sitting in the shower today and couldn't remember if I had washed my hair yet. Getting old sucks!
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We will probably need $350 to win on this horse.

And you can only bet itat the Wynn/Encore.

How is this guy going to get the money from us?
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Jeff my brother is going there next Thursday. I'm sure he'd be happy to put the bet in. I'll throw $50 or something on it too.

Also, I decided to scout out the Penthouse Club yesterday in case we get that date with BM and Greg[g] scheduled. The bartender upstairs was RIDICULOUS. Her name is Christine.

I tried to convince her to go out with my friends and I when she got off work last night but she refused because she said she was afraid she would have too much fun and she didn't want to screw up her relationship with some asshole named Doug. She asked if my wife would be upset that I was so aggresively hitting on her (I offered to get a hotel room after we took her to the casino so that she and I could cuddle) and I explained that my wife would understand if I had an affair with her.

So anyway I decided we should head back there so I can take another run at this girl. She was starting to warm up to the idea at the end and my wife has agreed to let her live in our spare bedroom if I can talk Christine into it. I figure I have to at least go back and put the offer on the table.
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Yeah, I think I know who you are talking about.

Is she blonde, has a waist that is about 22 inches and INCREDIBLE fake tits?

Next Thursday will work because the horse will not have run before then.
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I mean...Doug?

Who dates a guy named Doug?

Really...
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I would say it's dirty blonde hair or light brown but the rest is accurate. Although she claims the tits are real. And the skirt was ridiculous.

And let's tally up who wants what and I'll give my brother the money next Wednesday when I see him.
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Jeff my brother is going there next Thursday. I'm sure he'd be happy to put the bet in. I'll throw $50 or something on it too.

Also, I decided to scout out the Penthouse Club yesterday in case we get that date with BM and Greg[g][g] scheduled. The bartender upstairs was RIDICULOUS. Her name is Christine.

I tried to convince her to go out with my friends and I when she got off work last night but she refused because she said she was afraid she would have too much fun and she didn't want to screw up her relationship with some asshole named Doug. She asked if my wife would be upset that I was so aggressively hitting on her (I offered to get a hotel room after we took her to the casino so that she and I could cuddle) and I explained that my wife would understand if I had an affair with her.

So anyway I decided we should head back there so I can take another run at this girl. She was starting to warm up to the idea at the end and my wife has agreed to let her live in our spare bedroom if I can talk Christine into it. I figure I have to at least go back and put the offer on the table.


What are you trying to do, supplant DSR's resident legal counsel (not me) as the major playa in the tittie bar scene?
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The dancers there are okay.

But the waitresses are fucking ridiculous.

I am pretty sure we are talking about the same girl. She once told me about going to a bar in Ferndale and getting really fucked up and the owner of the bar just let her sleep there that night.

One of the hottest girls ever.

While she was telling me the story about Ferndale, all I could think of is wanting to eat her ass out with zip sauce in the VIP area.
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I mean...Doug?

Who dates a guy named Doug?

Really...


I told her Doug was a douchebag and doesn't love her or he wouldn't let her work at the Penthouse Club wearing next to nothing with idiots like me offering to take her out to the casino.

She said something about the relationship being mostly physical and might have said something about the guy being really good looking and having a nice body.

I stopped paying attention to most of what she was saying after she said it was mostly a physical relationship because that led me to imagine me banging her in 13 different positions.
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The dancers there are okay.

But the waitresses are fucking ridiculous.

I am pretty sure we are talking about the same girl. She once told me about going to a bar in Ferndale and getting really fucked up and the owner of the bar just let her sleep there that night.

One of the hottest girls ever.

While she was telling me the story about Ferndale, all I could think of is wanting to eat her ass out with zip sauce in the VIP area.


It's the same girl. She said she usually hangs out at bars in Ferndale.

And I spent the better part of two hours thinking about (and talking to her about) me eating her ass.

No zip sauce though.
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Jeff my brother is going there next Thursday. I'm sure he'd be happy to put the bet in. I'll throw $50 or something on it too.

Also, I decided to scout out the Penthouse Club yesterday in case we get that date with BM and Greg[g][g][g] scheduled. The bartender upstairs was RIDICULOUS. Her name is Christine.

I tried to convince her to go out with my friends and I when she got off work last night but she refused because she said she was afraid she would have too much fun and she didn't want to screw up her relationship with some asshole named Doug. She asked if my wife would be upset that I was so aggressively hitting on her (I offered to get a hotel room after we took her to the casino so that she and I could cuddle) and I explained that my wife would understand if I had an affair with her.

So anyway I decided we should head back there so I can take another run at this girl. She was starting to warm up to the idea at the end and my wife has agreed to let her live in our spare bedroom if I can talk Christine into it. I figure I have to at least go back and put the offer on the table.


What are you trying to do, supplant DSR's resident legal counsel (not me) as the major playa in the tittie bar scene?


I don't go to titty bars very often but from now on when I do I'll be upstairs at the Penthouse Club trying to talk this girl into being my second wife.
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I only presumed they were fake.

Because nothing in this world is that perfect without being so.
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I only presumed they were fake.

Because nothing in this world is that perfect without being so.


One of the dancers said they were real. Said they were the best natural boobs she'd ever seen.

I didn't argue.
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Ferndale? Really? I mean, I'm not doubting the hotness of this girl but she chooses to go out in Ferndale?
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Ferndale? Really? I mean, I'm not doubting the hotness of this girl but she chooses to go out in Ferndale?


If she works at the Penthouse Club and she hangs out in Ferndale my guess is that she lives pretty close to Ferndale.

I haven't been to Ferndale in a while but I might start stalking Christine so I may be hanging out in Ferndale more in the days ahead.
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When are we going to Ferndale, Bill?

That didn't sound too gay.
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:56 pm
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Jeff Moss wrote:
When are we going to Ferndale, Bill?

That didn't sound too gay.


I suggest the day AFTER we go to the Penthouse Club and verify her work schedule. Increase our chances of running into this girl drunk at a bar.

I also think we should consider making her the DSR Babe of the Decade or something.

I'm pretty sure that I can talk her into sending us pictures to post of her.
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:57 pm
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I am pretty sure I know which bar she passed out it.

That didn't sound too creepy.
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I'm in for 20 if this bet gets placed.
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:02 pm
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I also know the chick. After closign one night the aforementioned legal counsel had her this close to spending some time with us, then he brought up some money she owed him and she went BAT NUTS BALISITIC and had to be restrained by one of the bouncers until we were out of sight downstairs. Fucking awesome. Made me want to eat her ass even more.
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:04 pm
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I talked to Legal Counsel and he didn't know who I was talking about.
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:07 pm
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Parks wrote:
Greg[g][g], we should start up a collection.

I think they run about 9.99. Plus tax.

(That may have been out of line...considering chris never really requested that collection to happen....but still)


Thanks Steve, nice to know you care a little Very Happy

When I was working I would play a dollar or two on Mega Millions, and that's about the extent of my gambling. I was not offering to chip in before anyone goes that route.

I didn't expect so many people to want in on this so I was just curious how it works.

In four months are there going to be a bunch of people who made some money or the chances not that great but why not try?
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Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:07 pm
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Rob Otto wrote:
I also know the chick. After closign one night the aforementioned legal counsel had her this close to spending some time with us, then he brought up some money she owed him and she went BAT NUTS BALISITIC and had to be restrained by one of the bouncers until we were out of sight downstairs. Fucking awesome. Made me want to eat her ass even more.


I'm sure I should know who aformentioned legal counsel is but in both your post and 14TT's it didn't exactly jump out. I know Greg[g] doesn't like strip clubs and Moss isn't a lawyer. And I don't think you and Dirtdog hang out, so who the hell am I missing?

And she CLEARLY loves money. I tipped her 30% last night because she was such a good sport about me relentessly hitting on her (and because she was so fucking hot) and she acted like she might blow me.

I'm glad to hear that somebody else almost talked her into hanging out. She was SO CLOSE to coming with us. The boyfriend combined with having to wake up at 7 AM this morning killed us. She did suggest trying to catch her another night though so she's certainly game.
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