If all that is true, the kid will obviously be on a short leash. I'll be curious to see the aftermath of the story.
This kid was not crossed off all these elite school's lists as far as I know because of this "track record" which is a little odd if that is all true. He seemed to have offers to play just about anywhere and originally signed with Florida.
If that kid signs anywhere else, that story doesn't see the light of day. That, I'm convinced of.
Still, if RR is caught in another one of these stupid stories, that's definitely a black eye on him. I do not know why they let him talk to the media. My guess is Brandon is going to limit him pretty severely when he comes in.
What part of the story are you doubting? They pulled the public records and found that the kid confessed to robbing several houses. Do you really think the Free Press would print that if they didn't have the evidence to back it? They'd be BEGGING for a lawsuit.
And why wouldn't it have seen the light of day had he signed elsewhere? It may not have been in the Free Press but it would likely have been in a local paper in Florida or wherever else.
And Florida fans would have you believe that they quit recruiting the kid because this stuff came to light. I tend to believe RR that this stuff came to light because he backed out on Florida but there really isn't any way to prove either side of that "he said she said."
The thing that you elude to that I agree with is what the hell is RR doing taking the stance that he took? Go look up the facts? When the facts are actually WORSE than what was being reported? How arrogant and/or stupid is this guy? He didn't think that anybody would actually take him up on that offer? And "there are no players in this class with felonies?" I mean, sure coach, you can make that claim and I suppose that you're correct, but that's only because Florida has a program that's apparently as lienent on thieves as the City of Novi's is on drunk drivers.
He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time though. With his football gloves with him to hide his fingerprints. In a car full of flat screens and other items. Just a kid that surrounded himself with bad apples.
Ok. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
As for why I said the other about the story being published... I tend to think that media and big time programs get along in a lot of towns. What is happening between the Freep and Michigan is not unprecedented by any stretch, but I don't think it's typical either.
No one really heard anything about this until the kid decommitted from Florida. I don't think it makes sense that a newspaper runs checks of commits to a school for no reason to see if they can find the dirt. They just don't have the resources and, quite frankly, it's a bit [NRK] as far as I'm concerned. I could see maybe for someone of his stature, but if you look into records and you see that it's reasonably clean with some juvenile stuff, what would prompt you to keep digging?
Sure all this stuff is out there, but it would take resources to look into all these guys unless you were tipped off.
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I am happy with the signing. You put a kid like that on a short leash and that's that. No big deal.
I am less happy with how RR handled the presser yesterday. Given that is not something new for him, as I've said before, I wish they'd just muzzle the guy and demand that he only answer direct questions.
If he comes off cold and shitty, so be it. Until the guy starts winning, his "way" of handling the media is not going to go well for him.
The Freep is right in that he portrayed the kid in a different way than what the facts suggest. Just saying "he doesn't have a felony conviction" is not the right answer when all signs point to the fact that the guy basically should have had one but got a break.
Every school in the COUNTRY would have signed this kid except maybe those hypocrites in South Bend.
The Free Press is dedicating 7 page articles to this KID.
Greg[g][g] is 100 percent right on this.
The Free Press is more obsessed with Michigan than Brung is with DHallisabitch.
And vise versa.
I don't know many sports fans in the country that disagree with this. Even Mikey "Assclown" Valentine" of all people suggested that it was a non-issue.
There is nothing wrong with taking a kid like this as long as they don't act like he's got some clean record coming in.
I like the fact that the kid was mature enough to make the decision to get out of Florida to start his life over.
After watching the U documentary about the kids from South Florida, I think that was a real wise decision on his part. _________________ Did they shoot your horse?
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It'd be different if he had been picked up doing this shit this past year, or the year before. But he was 15 and 16 years old. He's apparently got himself right.
Who cares?
Although the part of the story detailing how they sat down one of the victims and said "hey, this kid is a pretty good football player, you wanna give him a break?" is just so slimy in my opinion. These issues start so early on it's no wonder we end up with Plaxico, Gilbert, [False Prophet], et al.
I like the fact that the kid was mature enough to make the decision to get out of Florida to start his life over.
After watching the U documentary about the kids from South Florida, I think that was a real wise decision on his part.
This is kind of my thought.
I share BM's opinion that RR handled yesterday poorly.
It sounds like though this kid got lucky and was smart enough to realize that and decided to go get a fresh start.
If that's the case I wish him the best.
I also think it's ballsy for RichRod to take a kid with that kind of a story. Very ballsy. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
His cousin is Denard Robinson so he has someone looking out for him here, too.
If he wants a clean start in a cold climate, all aboard. I mean, that's awesome.
Rich Rod has NOTHING to lose at this point on this kid. He's either going to win and earn more time or he's gone at the end of the year. That's the concensus opinion. If this kid majorly screws up, you handle it appropriately all things considered. It's not going to change whether or not the guy keeps his job. Any school would have taken this guy. There are a ton of 15-year-olds that make incredibly dumb decisions and look back on it a few years later and are like "No shit. I DID THAT?"
Jeff's point about The U is what I was thinking also.
He needs to take risks. This guy may start this year, and will most likely play. Did you see that defense.
RR handled it bad no doubt. The guy figures he is finally going to have a good day. Just stole a recruit from FSU and USC. At West Virginia, the press conference would have been a party.
Here: The Freep finds out that Michigan signed him and they call Sharp who is on his way to Lansing to cover State's signing day. and send him to AA to harass RR. What a fucking joke.
I don't even blame Sharp. He is giving his employer exactly what they want from him. Selling papers. What a joke the local media has become.
This says it best, and this is from an unabashed Florida fan.
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Not even convicted? Next question, coach--we don't even want to finish this one, since clearly Demar Dorsey has no problems whatsoever and will be a fine addition to the football team. That, Michigan fans, is what it would be like if you were anywhere else in the nation and had a recruit with a couple of nasty juvenile arrests, but the Freep is on the scene for this extremely overblown story like the WITI TV 6 news crew. DURR HURR WHY DOES RICH ROD RECRUIT THUGZ OUTRAGE HURR. Because some of them are fast, can play football, and can be kept out of trouble for four years while they win football games? The Michigan press is the polar opposite of SEC press corps, and we mean that in the good and bad way: not fawning, but also convinced there's a potential Watergate beneath that Gatorade bucket over there.
The local media, fueled by the Michigan Myth, has to be the least appealing part of the Michigan job. Another only in Ann Arbor "scandal." It would be nice if someone got dirt on Gene Myers and could tell us exactly WHY his sports department has made the calculated effort to treat Michigan football like The Nation treated the Bush administration or The Weekly Standard treats the Obama administration.
It has to be an unprecedented relationship between a local media outlet and a team. There have always been individuals with axes to grind against certain figures and teams before, but this is department-wide.
For anybody to suggest that this isn't worthy of news coverage is insane.
If you want to argue that signing the kid is acceptable that's fine.
To try to attack the media for asking questions about a kid that went to jail and may still be there if he weren't a football player is [mentally challenged].
As Parks eluded to there is an issue with the fact that the kid got several passes that he wouldn't have if he couldn't play safety.
RichRod didn't help himself when he dared the media to dig up the facts.
They did. And they weren't so pretty.
But it's the evil media's fault again. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
Drew Sharp: "Are you confident the charges aren't true?!? Are you confident the charges aren't true?!?"
He was ACQUITTED. The other charges were dropped. Sharp acts as if it's all pending.
He admitted that he did it.
So the charges ARE TRUE.
You've got the wrong angle here. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
Fan of a team where players attack a frat en masse with ski masks and it barely makes a blip on espn.com because no one will ever give a shit about that school.
Yet he's criticizing sensitivity to media fairness possessed by a fanbase that watched "they might have practiced too much" become huge national news.
Drew Sharp: "Are you confident the charges aren't true?!? Are you confident the charges aren't true?!?"
He was ACQUITTED. The other charges were dropped. Sharp acts as if it's all pending.
He admitted that he did it.
So the charges ARE TRUE.
You've got the wrong angle here.
No one is disagreeing with the story that was published at this point.
What Sharp did yesterday was to play devil's advocate with no supporting facts whatsoever. He compared a college recruit to OJ for godsakes.
If he had access to that information and didn't use it, then he's more of an idiot than I suspected. The guy is not a journalist, which is why the WLA article I posted in the other thread is so goddamn funny. What that guy did was exactly what Sharp does.
That it ended up being true doesn't absolve Sharp in this case.
If he knew the whole time and played it off like it was just a hunch, then the guy is just an idiot.
He gave up any real journalistic integrity years ago.
He now works for the Free Press Inquirer.
I generally find people who have completely sold their integrity and soul to be pretty blame-worthy in things.
Fine.
But he did that years ago. At this point he is just being a great employee. He was told to go cause trouble at the press conference. And he did. And because of that, the story went from Michigan steals one of top safeties in the country to Michigan recruit steals.
Fan of a team where players attack a frat en masse with ski masks and it barely makes a blip on espn.com because no one will ever give a shit about that school.
Yet he's criticizing sensitivity to media fairness possessed by a fanbase that watched "they might have practiced too much" become huge national news.
Does anyone think that it's going to be "nothing" at this point?
Because if not and even if it's minor, the entire thing was created by the Freep. Not sure how a State fan or anyone else could not see how ridiculous that is or how their school could have just as easily been raked over the coals for doing this.
The Freep is a joke -- even if they are right about this stuff. There is ZERO question all this stuff is a concerted attempt to do damage to the football program. Zero.
Decent use of the Pudge Rumor name post style, Bo. Could have done better.
How about DHall coming out guns ablazing in this thread, and then changing his tune as soon as Moss posts.
He was just joking with the first post.
Yeah you missed on this.
I was guns ablazing because I remembered Nick's attempt to blame MD's decision to give Glenn Winston a second chance for the decisions that a bunch of idiots made when they ambushed a fraternity.
Which is why I asked how he felt about RichRod giving a kid what amounts to a THIRD chance.
I'm anxious to watch Nick explain how RichRod made the right decision but MD made the wrong decision. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
I thought Nick was all right with giving someone a second chance, but, like most of us, thought it was odd that the guy was coming straight to practice from jail.
The whole thing just looked weird from an outsider's perspective -- especially given the punishment to Blount a few weeks later (if I'm getting my timelines correct).
I'm anxious to watch Nick explain how RichRod made the right decision but MD made the wrong decision.
Committing a crime two years ago, while not representing Michigan, is a little different than literally going from jail to the practice field for something you did while representing MSU.
And by a little I mean a lot.
When is Demar getting his ski-mask posse together? Tri-Delts better look out.
I'm anxious to watch Nick explain how RichRod made the right decision but MD made the wrong decision.
Committing a crime two years ago, while not representing Michigan, is a little different than literally going from jail to the practice field for something you did while representing MSU.
And by a little I mean a lot.
When is Demar getting his ski-mask posse together? Tri-Delts better look out.
Yes armed robbery is better.
Are you kidding me?
You guys are ACTUALLY going to make these arguments? _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
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If this kid has committed these crimes in the last few months, I think we'd all be in agreement.
Do you honestly think any school in the country would not have taken this guy? I'm confused.
There are a lot of schools in the country who would not have let Winston onto the field so quickly.
They are parallel stories, but they are not equal.
I'd also be willing to bet there's a decent percentage of kids getting signed this week that have these types of indiscretions documented in their past.
If this kid has committed these crimes in the last few months, I think we'd all be in agreement.
Do you honestly think any school in the country would not have taken this guy? I'm confused.
There are a lot of schools in the country who would not have let Winston onto the field so quickly.
They are parallel stories, but they are not equal.
I have no issue with RichRod taking the kid.
I have an issue with how you guys are defending it.
And blaming the media for making too much of it.
The kid admitted to robbing several houses and was apparently charged in an armed robbery.
That's not the media's fault.
So stop with the poor Michigan shit. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
As I posted up top from EDSBS, a source a tad more objective than you when it comes to Michigan athletics. NO OTHER PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY HAS TO PUT UP WITH THIS KIND OF SHIT FROM THEIR LOCAL MEDIA.
As Parks said, there are other kids who are in his position that signed today, where this issue isn't even being discussed. And there is probably another group that did these very things and never got caught.
All we're saying is this stuff would not even come up in most places, period. If you choose to believe otherwise, great. We just do not agree.
Haven't you already agreed with the premise that Michigan was a school chosen by the Freep to be railroaded about the practice given every other school does it? I thought you had by now.
If you agree with that, then you can understand how this is more of the same. No one is saying Michigan is in the clear. What we are saying is this shit doesn't matter in most places and, for some stupid reason, it matters A LOT for Michigan, specifically with the Free Press.
If you do not concur with that, there is nothing more to say.
This is about selling papers. Nothing else. If scrutinizing everything State was doing would sell papers, the Freep would be on the next bus to E. Lansing.
All we're saying is this stuff would not even come up in most places, period. If you choose to believe otherwise, great. We just do not agree.
Haven't you already agreed with the premise that Michigan was a school chosen by the Freep to be railroaded about the practice given every other school does it? I thought you had by now.
If you agree with that, then you can understand how this is more of the same. No one is saying Michigan is in the clear. What we are saying is this shit doesn't matter in most places and, for some stupid reason, it matters A LOT for Michigan, specifically with the Free Press.
If you do not concur with that, there is nothing more to say.
I mean Parks just said it pretty well with the "spade a spade" comment.
I don't CARE if RR is being railroaded.
I hope that he is.
Stop getting killed in football and stop acting like an arrogant dick with the media.
And they might leave you alone. _________________ To a 5'6" guy in AFFLICTION gear? Are you serious? No problem. Bring them to me. Tossing midgets is fun. There's a kid at the gym that I go to who rocks a UFC hat and all this other garbage. He probably weights a buck 40. It would be hilarious.
No one has any argument with the stop getting killed part. No one ever has because we are all Michigan fans except for you.
I don't see how you can justify what they are doing because Michigan is playing badly. The ethics of it are horrible.
You either think what they are doing is wrong and therefore the stories are bullshit or you are ok with them doing what they are doing and find fault with Michigan.
If you are ok with them doing it because Michigan is bad and that somehow gives them a reason, you lost me.
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